Saturday, July 22, 2017

An Interview With My Grandmother, pt 3




     Last week, Grandma told us about her first full time job at Consolidated Handbags, meeting the man who would become her husband, and the various mishaps her two children got into. If you missed that post, click here. 
     In this final interview with my grandmother, she shares some closing words about how things have changed since she was young, what she would tell her younger self, and what legacy she hopes to leave for her children. 

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Gloria: So how has the world changed since you were young?
Grandma: Oh, tremendously! It went from… laughs Just to put it very briefly, it went from a wall phone in the general store that you had to crank up, to now, I have a phone in my pocket! Laughs So there's been a lot of technology since I was little girl. Cars were not as plentiful as they are today. Washing machines, dryers, were not available at the time. They are so common now, that people just don’t even appreciate them. The most spectacular thing was to see the man on the moon. That was awesome.
Gl: What was that like?
Gr: Well... chuckles. My husband George was very interested in it but I was so busy being a homemaker that I didn’t really pay much attention. But on the day that the man landed on the moon, I had the flu. And I was halfway asleep and George woke me up, he says, “You got to watch this, you got to watch this!” And it was the landing on the moon. That was just… I mean whoever heard of man going to the moon?! And there it was right before my eyes.

Gl: That is so neat! So what is your opinion on modern technology?
Gr: Well there are good things, and there are bad things. A lot of good things come from it, medicines that make life easier, but at the same time, man’s involved and corrupted a lot of those things that were good. They helped in one way, but in another they were very destructive. Man takes a good thing and makes a bad thing out of it.

Gl: Yeah, that’s the way it is with a lot of things unfortunately. What were some life-changing moments in your life?
Gr: The most life-changing thing? When I got married. Laughs When I got married… that was just a whole new life for me. It’s an unplanned journey. It’s a journey that takes two to make, especially if you have family, if you have children. And I taught them, I taught my children… how much they picked up, how much they retained in their brain, I don’t know. But now that they’re grown, I can see that they did listen to some things. And it’s always been surprising to me when they come about and say, “Oh, you were right.” Laughs I was right?! It’s good for the parent to hear that they did something right in their children’s lives. But sometimes they don’t really have to say it, I see it, in what they do or what they don’t do. It’s very gratifying.

Gl: What are some things that you would tell your younger self?
Gr: That I was worth something. I didn’t know it, because no one ever told me you did a good job, there was no affirmation as to whether I did good or not. That’s the thing that plagued me the most. It had a good influence and it had a negative influence. Because it just seemed that I could never do enough for anybody to notice. My son told me, “Mom, you did the job so well, that’s why they used you more to do the job.” And I never looked at it that way. But he put it in a good perspective. And I found that out when I worked and had a serious job. I saw that the better I did, the more they would look to me to do the job and, like he says, because you did a good job, because you were trustworthy, that’s why you got more. I never thought about it that way.

Gl: Hm, yeah that makes sense. So what legacy do you  hope to leave for your children and grandchildren?
Gr: Seek the Lord. Seek the Lord. It’s never too early to seek the Lord.
Gl: Yeah, that’s the main thing. If you could give one piece of advice to young people everywhere today, what would it be?
Gr: All young people? Not just my children?
Gl: Yeah.
Gr: Same thing, seek the Lord! Chuckling There is no other way, just seek the Lord. Since the Lord saved me, these have been the best days of my life. Because my life changed totally and completely when He saved me.
Gl: Wow, that’s quite a testimony.
Gr: It wasn’t an all of a sudden thing, God doesn’t work that way. Little step at a time, step at a time. One Bible teacher, Mr. Harold Camping, said that we'll study and then we feel like we’re just not getting anywhere, we’re not learning anything. And he says, it’s like climbing a mountain. Occasionally, look down to where you were and where you are now. You’ve made progress. And that was a very good piece of advice for the baby Christian just beginning the walk. I expected to learn very quickly, and I learned as the more I read, it doesn’t happen quickly. Time, it takes time.




Friday, July 14, 2017

An Interview With My Grandmother, pt 2




     Last week, Grandma told us about her run-in with a wild goose, some of the prejudices she faced as a Mexican, and the time she told a neighbor girl Santa Claus isn't real. If you missed that post, click here.
     In this second part of a three-part interview, Grandma tells us about her job at Consolidated Handbags, meeting her husband, and life as a stay-at-home mom.

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Grandma: I started working the summer that I graduated. It was terrible because jobs were hard to find because all the high school kids were out looking for jobs. So I took any job, I took part-time jobs, it didn’t matter, I just wanted to be working. By this time, Mother had stop working at this plant that made clothes for the military. For some reason, that summer, at the end of summer, she quit working for those people. Instead she got a job with this handbag company. So here I was that summer looking for jobs everywhere. And toward the end of the summer… let’s see when was it? In November, right before Thanksgiving, Mother says, "Well you know, they’re hiring people where I’m working, you might want to go and ask for a job there." I said "Ok, that’s fine, sounds good." Well I did, and because I was her daughter, they hired me. And they kinda liked me because I was doing the job. The company was growing really fast, and so they decided to have a department for small items for women. And so they put me in a little cubbyhole, a little space there. They were primarily going to go into the gloves, so I was to receipt the great big cartons of gloves that came in. They were different styles and they had to be sorted out by style, by color, and all this. And I delighted in doing it, it was nothing. I got an order and it came on a piece of paper, they want this, this, that, and that. And I just whipped through, I got the order, and filled it up. And I had it in a basket, and the people that did the packing, they’d come and take it, and they knew what store it was going to, and all that. That was fun! Laughs That was fun, I didn’t mind doing that at all. And I just did it very quickly, and I did it so quickly that I got my orders filled up real fast. And everything was marked and all in proper place where I could find it. So they decided to take me out of that little bitty place that I had and they made a bigger area for me. And they started building it up with gloves, with the wallets that women used to carry, the small ones, bigger ones, and evening bags, real small evening bags, jewelry boxes, just all these little items. And so, I had place for everything and everything in its place! 



Gloria: Nice!
Gr: I enjoyed that! It just came to me naturally to have all this stuff organized and because it was organized, I had no problem filling orders. So I enjoyed it, I worked there for eight years. And they just added more and more to it, they added belts. I had all kinds of stuff in that department, to the point where I said, hey, I’m busting at the seams here! They discontinued the gloves, they discontinued… what else did they discontinue? The belts they did away with, because that takes a lot of room. So that gave me a little more room, and I was fine. Then all of sudden, they moved to another building, a bigger building, and I had a bigger space. And so that was fine, I liked it. Mother was there too. But just about the time we started working there, my grandmother died. So Mother had to quit working, because somebody had to be home. The boys were still growing and they were still in junior high and high school. And I got more and more responsibility. I started buying. They just told me this, this, that, and the other, and the salesman would come in and show me samples and stuff. I was a full-blown buyer, couldn’t believe it, but I was! I was a buyer for all these little small accessories. And you know what? These salesmen would send me gifts! They’d say, oh because you got this, they’d give me two to three pairs of gloves. I had more stuff than I knew what to do with! And by that time, I met your grandfather and soon after that we got married. And so when I got married I quit working. 

Gl: Ok, so tell me about meeting Papa.
Gr: Chuckles Well, it was kind of a funny start. My sister lived in this apartment and Jessie met George and so did my sister Francis. And they hit it off, Jessie liked George right off, and she’s a very good judge of character. And she liked George, she always had a high regard for George. So there was Francis and Jessie and they said, “Oh yeah, there’s a third sister, we have another sister.” And he said, “Oh, well I’d like to meet her.” And they looked at each other, and they knew that I said don’t go looking for fellas for me, I can do my own finding. Dontcha go setting me up with anybody. I said if I get wind of it, I will not be there. And I meant it. As a matter of fact at that time, the few dates that I had, I was so disgusted and discouraged I said you know, I think I’m better off single, I’m just not gonna get married.
So they invited me over. This was on the first day of 1960. I’ll never forget it because it was my brother-in-law’s birthday. And we were celebrating his birthday. Let’s see, it was the four of them, my sister Francis, her husband, two kids, that’s four, Jessie, and myself, so there was just six of us. And so we were just having fun, having birthday cake and punch and listening to music and dancing. Jessie slipped out of the apartment and I saw her slip out, and she was gone a few minutes and then she came back in by herself. And she just got into what we were doing. I remember getting up from where I was sitting, and I went to the table, the little kitchenette that she had, because we had cake there and I was gonna get another slice of cake. And I was there and the doorbell rings. Jessie opened the door and it was George and his roommate. And she was introducing them to Rudy (Francis' husband) and the two girls, because he hadn’t seen them. And then he looked up at me and I was looking at the door to see who came in, and he saw me, and he made a beeline for me. And that just ticked me off. This is a setup! I got so perturbed. If George had just waited, I wouldn’t have been cross with my sisters. But he came, and now how would know to come straight to me? How would he know? So anyway, I was very perturbed with him and what I did is, I was flirting with the roommate and I was ignoring George. And he was trying hard not to be ignored! Laughs So anyway, it was over and said goodnight and goodbye to everybody, and I thought to myself, “I’m gonna chew these girls out for good!” After the weekend, I didn’t get around to saying anything to Jessie and I had to figure out in my head what exactly to say. And so I get a phone call about the middle of the week... and it was George. I did not give him my phone number. I didn’t give anybody my phone number! 
And I said, “How did you get my number?” That was the first thing I said, “How did you get my phone number?”  
“Uh, you sister gave it to me.” 
“Which one?” 
“Jessie.” 
“Jessie... ok.” 
And he said, “Now don’t be mad at her.” 
“Why should I be made at her? I just want to know who gave you my number.” 
And he says, “Well, I asked her for it and I kept asking and so she gave it to me.” 
I said, “Ok, that’s fine.” 
And he wanted to go on a date, and I said, “No, I have a date already.” 
He says, “Well, can I call you again?” 
“Um… um…” I kept going “Hmm… yeah, I guess so.” 
And I thought that had discouraged him. I didn’t hear from him, until about, I think it was almost the weekend. And he called me again, he said, “You want to go out on a date?” And I said, “No, I don’t. I have a date.” I didn’t have a date, but I was trying to discourage him. I didn’t know what to do to discourage him. After the second phone call, I called Jessie, I said, “Jessie, why did you give him my phone number? I don’t want to date anybody. I’m just not there, I’ve had it with guys, they’re always a mess and I don’t want to mess with them!” 
And she says, “Lena, he’s a nice guy.”  
“How do you know he’s a nice guy?” 
“Well, because we’ve had coffee, we’ve visited, he talks about what he does.” 
“What does he do?” 
“He’s a air traffic controller at Love Field.” 
“Oh is that right.” 
And she says, “That’s a very important job!” 
“Well, I’m sure it is.” 
She says, “Lena, be nice to him. Go out with him, he’s nice. I’m telling you he’s a nice guy!”
I said, “Ok, I’ll give it some thought.” 
Well, it was some time, then he called me again. 
He says, “Well I hope you don’t have a date, I’d like for us to go out.” 
I said, “Ok, when do you want to go?” 
Laughs I think I shocked him! I thought, if I go out with him, maybe he won’t want me after we go out. So he came to pick me up. Our first date was on the first week of February. It was a very warm week, I remember that, it was extraordinarily warm for Texas at that time of the year. And he came in his baby blue, convertible, Chevrolet car. Here he comes with the top down. And he came to get me, and I looked at the top, and he says, “I’m sorry, I’ve tried to get that top up, and it just would not come up. I don’t know what’s wrong with it. I tried to get it to come up, and it would not come up.” 
And I said, “Oh, well that’s ok.” 
“But it’s gonna blow your hair.” 
I said, “That’s ok.”
Laughing I didn’t care what I looked like!
He says, “Well, let me just give it one more try.” 
I said, “That’s fine if you want to, but I’m fine with the convertible.” 
So he did and the top came up over us! Laughs It did what it was supposed to do, he was so happy about that. So we ended up going to a movie and then we went to this place that was very popular for hamburgers. So we went, had a hamburger and a coke. And we talked a lot, not really anything, just talk. He took me home and he actually was a gentleman! He opened my door, he walked me up to the front door, he took my hand, he shook my hand, he said he enjoyed the evening and hoped to do it again. I thought to myself, where did this guy come from? Laughs So that was our first date. After that it took me a while to really want to date him. And we started dating more consistently about four months later, and then by six months we were dating exclusively. And then the rest is history! I was just very grateful to my sister that she was true to her word that he was a good guy, and he was.

Gl: That’s wonderful!
Gr: Yeah it was, we had a good life. We got married and we had our family, I was a stay-at-home mom, and I loved it. I loved being married to your grandfather.



Gl: Tell me now about some of your favorite or funniest memories from raising my dad and Auntie Liz.
Gr: Vincent was a great kid. He was a delight, he was an absolute delight to me. He wasn’t bratty, not that I allowed it or anything. I read to him all the time. It was naptime and I’d hold him in my lap and read to him. And it was mostly books of animals, and the alphabet, and numbers. And I would read to him and he would just fall asleep in my lap, and I loved that. And I would put him in his crib and let him nap for as long as he liked. He wasn’t a fussy baby, he wasn’t a colicky baby. It was just a great joy to have him. One of the neighbors came, I was at the mailbox… this was when he was about a year and a half. And his crib was by a window and I had a curtain there.
And this lady at the mailbox says, “Oh your son is such a delight! He waves to me every morning that I go to work. And he’s at the window and he’s waving to everybody.”
I said, “He is?”
“Oh yes!” she says, “And he just loves it, he’s jumping up and down and waving to everybody.”
And I said, “Oh, well that’s great!”
So I thought to myself, hey I got to see this for myself. So I asked her "What time do you leave for work?" I got the time and I got up before then. And sure enough Vincent got up, and he rolled around in his bed, and then he pulls himself up on the crib, and he stands there, and he pulls, he gets under the curtain, and all you see is his little feet. Laughs And then all of a sudden, I see him jumping up and down, jumping up and down. And so I go very slowly and I pull the curtain.
I said, “What are you doing baby, what are you doing?”
And I saw him waving, “Oh, you’re waving at the people!”
Yeah, he was enjoying that! Everybody that came by, he waved at them, and they waved back. He was waving to everybody! Laughs So little things like that, he was just a delight. I had no trouble. Oh, and I need to tell you this, when Vincent was born, your grandfather said, “Um… he’s a little different.”
I said, “What do you mean he’s a little different, what are you talking about?”
Because I hadn’t seen him, they hadn’t brought him to me yet. So when they brought him, I took the blankets off, I started counting toes, and fingers, and everything.
I said, “There’s nothing wrong with this baby, what are you talking about?”
“Well, he has so much hair.”
I said, “Well of course he has a lot of hair!”
To me it was not a shock because the Spanish children have a lot of hair. That’s what I remember, George getting all excited about the hair. 
I said, “Well that’s normal, there’s nothing wrong with that.” 
And when we got Vincent home, of course, Grandpa gave him a haircut. Laughs I said, "Ok, if that makes you happy that's fine." 




So then when I had Elizabeth, they brought me to my room, and I was waiting for them to bring Elizabeth to me. Now your Grandfather had already seen Elizabeth right after she was born. So when they brought Elizabeth to me, I looked at her, I said, “That is not my baby!” I was expecting the hair, the darker skin, the dark eyes. 
I said, “That is not my baby.” 
And the nurse got the bracelets and matched our bracelets. “Yes, Mrs. Kluth this is your baby.” 
“That is not my baby. What did you do with my baby?” Laughs I was getting madder and panicky!
“But it is your baby.” 
“This. Is. Not. My. Baby!” I was getting really upset. 
And they said, “Well, let me call your husband.” 
And so they called George and here George comes flying down to the hospital, he though something bad had happened. And they brought Elizabeth to me, and I said, “That’s not my baby.” 
And George said, “Oh honey, it is our baby.” 
I said, “Are you sure? She doesn’t look like our baby. How do you know, are you positive?”
He says, “Lena, when they took you into delivery, I was right out in the delivery room, and there was nobody else in there but the doctors and you. And there was only one baby that came out of there and that was Elizabeth. I saw her, this is our baby.” 
And I looked at her. 
She was bald. 
She had gray eyes. 
She was very fair. 
I thought, well I guess so. And I looked at George, I thought, well maybe she’s gonna take after George, you know, the coloring and all that. And I said, “Well, I guess so. I guess that is my baby.” But she was, she was my baby. And Elizabeth just grew, oh she was the most beautiful baby. And one day I was just talking, “Lord, if I had asked you for a baby like this… I… I don’t know if you would have given me such a beautiful baby! It’s just as if I ordered this baby and you sent it to me like this." I was just so thankful and in awe that this was my child.  And she grew up just beautifully. At a year, she was just as plump as she can be. And I’m telling you, she was a load to carry! And they always asked me, “How can you carry her?” I said, “Very easily!” You get used to the weight, you know. And then after she was two, she was beginning to walk, and when they begin to walk they begin to loose some of their weight. But not her, she didn’t loose a whole lot! And she was just a beautiful baby. And she grew up to be a beautiful young girl and a beautiful young woman. She’s still beautiful! But she was an adventure too, oh my goodness was she ever! Vincent was good, I never had any problem with him, always obedient. Well, she started walking and crawling. And she loved to be on the floor, and so before I put her on the floor, I mopped the floors real good, everywhere, every corner, everything I mopped. Then I’d feed her and she’d want to get down and crawl around, and that was fine. I was at the stove, and I saw her digging with her little fingers somewhere in the corner. And I was wondering, what in the world is she digging in that corner for? I saw she kept digging and I said, let me go see what it is. Just as I got to her, she found something and she was putting it in her mouth. She put in in her mouth and I said, “Open your mouth!” And she had teeth and she didn’t want to open her mouth, and I got my finger bitten, but I worked that thing open. You’d never believe what was in her mouth.
Gl: I don’t know.
Gr: A fly.
Gl: Oh no!
Gr: A fly! I thought I was gonna throw up. I said, “Elizabeth, I’m gonna put you in the playpen!” I said, “Go play with your toys!” Out of everywhere I cleaned, she goes in this itty bitty corner and finds this fly! Oh my gosh! So anyway, that was one thing. And then she starts getting into my drawer with the pots and pans. Well, pots and pans are not toys, she had plenty of toys to play with. But she was determined. The way my kitchen was, there was a hallway, and then you could come from the hallway into the kitchen, go around, and then you could go into the other door, and you’d go into the living room, and you could still see down the hall. So it was open, you know. And I’d close doors to the rooms, I didn’t want her to go into any of the rooms because I didn’t know what she’d be doing in there. And she’d go to my bottom drawer, and that’s where I had lids, smaller pots, and smaller things there. And I heard this clanking as she took them out. And I said, “Oh, no. No, no, no. That’s a no-no. You put those things back in their drawer.” 
And she looked at me like, “I don’t want to do that.”
I said, “Put them back in the drawer.” 
And so I got down and put everything back in the drawer and I said, “You go play.” 
So she crawled around and waited for me to be out of sight, and she goes back to the drawer, and pulls everything out again. I said, “Elizabeth, no, no, no.” And I swatted her hand, and we put everything back in there. And she’s just whimpering. And then she crawls around again, goes all the way around, and I was waiting for her, because I knew she was gonna crawl all the way around and come back again. And just as she got to the drawer, I came up and I stood there with my hand on my hip. And I said, “You gonna do that again?” 
And she looked at me. 
I said, “You go play with your toys right now.” 
And she did. She knew that she was gonna get a swat if she got into that drawer. Because she tried it again, and I swatted her, but a little harder every time, until it finally sunk in: stay out of that drawer! George says “Well, why don’t you put something there.” 
I said, “I’m not gonna put nothing there! That’s a no, and she’s gotta learn what ‘no’ means.” 
Because he, oh, he had a soft spot for her! I mean, she could just wrap him around her little finger like nothing. She’d look in his eyes and then just get her hands, and hold his face, you know. He’d just melt like butter. I could just see it, oh my goodness, he’d just melt like butter. She might’ve gotten away with some things, but if he said no, she didn’t do it. 




I had fed her, changed her diaper, and I’d put her in her crib. And I had lowered the thing on her crib real low where she couldn’t crawl of of it, because I wouldn’t put it past her to do that. Well I had just changed her diaper, and I was picking up all the stuff, and I had my back to her, and then just as I turned, here she was on her tippy toes, looking over the rail. And next thing I know, she goes head down! 
Gl: Oh no!
Gr: She went head down and hit the top of her head. I got to her, and her eyes rolled back, and then she kinda just shook her head a little bit, and she seemed to be ok. She didn’t know whether to cry or what! So I called my pediatrician, and told him what had happened. And he said, “Well, I hate to say this to you Mom, but because she rolled her eyes back, you’re gonna have to keep her up for 12 hours.” 
I said, “12 hours?” 
“Oh yeah, round the clock.” 
“Oh no, you’re kidding me.” 
“No.” 
And we had to do that. I had to keep her awake from the time I called the pediatrician to 12 hours later. All night long. George did part of it. But he had to go to bed because he had to get up in the morning and go to work. So during that time, I slept a little bit, then I got up and took over all night long. Then he’d get up, and finish the rest, until he left for work. So I’d get up, and it was pretty close to when the time was up. She wanted to sleep. She wanted to sleep so bad! So finally I changed her diaper again, put her in that crib, and she was out like a light! Laughs She slept, but it was hard keeping her up and entertained. Oh my gosh, I was worn out with that. But that was Elizabeth, she just kept coming up with one thing after the other. But that’s just part of having a child. They’re exploring, you know, it’s a new world for them, and they’re just exploring the world. And now, she’s married with two children, she’s got a married daughter. And I’m an old grandmother. Laughing I’m worn out!

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     Be sure to check back next week as Grandma gives us some final closing words of wisdom. 





    

Friday, July 7, 2017

An Interview With My Grandmother, pt 1



     Recently, my lovely grandmother agreed to do an interview with me. She told me all about her life growing up and offered some wise advice for growing up today. This is the first post of a three-part interview with my grandma.

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Gloria: So first off, where were you born?
Grandma: Steel Store, Texas, but on my birth certificate it’s Robertson County, Texas.
Gl: Ok, cool. What was it like growing up?
Gr: In my real, real young years we lived out on a farm, and it was just farm life. You know in those days, most everybody was raised on farms. It was fine, I grew up, I learned a lot as a little girl. At that time I only had two brothers and two sisters, and the sisters were a lot older than me. 

Gl: So when you were on the farm, what were some of your chores?
Gr: Carrying water, because we didn’t have running water in the house. We had to catch rainwater, or we had to go this well and it was made into a pump. And we usually filled up the barrels or whatever container for water for bathing primarily, for washing clothes, for drinking, and cooking. That was my job. I had two pails and I had to go to the pump and bring water to the house for the drinking water.
Gl: How old were you?
Gr: I must’ve been about... between three and four years old.
Gl: Oh man, you had to carry those heavy buckets?
Gr: Tell me about it! Had a goose chasing me… oh that was fun! Laughing
Gl: A goose chased you?!
Gr: Oh yeah! I don’t know where that little varmint came from, but I was going back to the house just as happy as a lark, and all of sudden this mad goose comes out and just starts pecking me, and they peck hard! So I was fighting him off with the bucket of water, just trying to get away from him, and I did. So when I got home, needless to say, I didn’t have much water. 
And I told my mother, "Well the goose was pecking me." 
And she says, "Go get some water!" 
"But he’s out there!" 
"Oh, he’s probably gone by now, go on, get some water." 
Laughing Oh my gosh, that was the scariest thing I had to do. Go back out there and get water and walk back again. I think I looked everywhere, in every bush expecting to see that mad goose come at me again, but it didn’t. So I got home with two buckets full of water.
Gl: Wow, that’s quite the experience!
Gr: Yep! Laughs That’s something I’ve never forgotten.
Gl: So was carrying water your only chore?
Gr: I was too young to really do any work. My work was kinda just tending to my brothers, you know, they were little. And they would put them out there on the front porch just to get them outside. And it had a verandah where they couldn’t get out. So I just watched over them. Unfortunately Mother had pots, she loved flowers, so she always had something growing. And on the little top part of the verandah she had pots. So one of my brothers, I don’t remember which brother it was, he crawled over there, and a pot fell down. All I can figure is, it wasn’t too steady and he probably tried to climb up on it, and the thing shook and it just fell. And it just grazed his head. Didn’t fall on his head, thank God! It just grazed on his head. Of course he lets out a yell like he’s dying, and mother comes running out there. 
"What happened?"
I said, "Well that pot fell down and hit him on the head." 
She thought it fell on his head, I didn’t tell her that it just hit him on the side of his head. Well needless to say, I got a spanking for that because I wasn’t watching him. Laughing Wasn’t my fault, you know, but anyway that’s the way it went. There was no excuses, you were told to do something and if somebody got injured on the job, it was your fault. Very strict, very strict.

Gl: Yeah, sounds like it. So when you moved to Dallas what did you do there?
Gr: My dad went to work in an airplane factory, they made planes for the military. My mother went to work for a plant that made uniforms for the military. And so my oldest sister was working, my middle sister was going to high school, but she worked after school, and it was me. I was maybe, what… in the second or third grade. The school I went to was like a big house separated into different rooms, they would maybe have three grades in one room. I knew Spanish, because that was spoken at home. So, when I went to school, I didn’t know English! And so I had to learn it the hard way. And sometimes… I’ll never forget this in that the teachers were very, very prejudiced. They just thought of the Mexicans, you know, what are they here for, they don’t need an education, they’re just gonna go get married and have a bunch of kids. And I heard them talk, I heard them talk. And so, I did my best, I learned, because they taught you the alphabet and all that. So I learned it, you know, at that age you pick up the language real fast. So I was in the classroom and the teacher had assigned something and I didn’t understand. And this girl was next to me and I just looked over to her paper to see what she was doing, what were the instructions. I wasn’t copying her I just wanted to see what was being done, because I didn’t understand the instructions. And I’ll be darned, that teacher comes up and says, "You’re cheating!" And she hit my hands with a ruler.
Gl: Oh my!
Gr: I didn’t bawl, I just put my head down on the desk, and just tears were coming, but I just held it… didn’t cry out loud. That was awful, that was awful because I did not cheat. I was just looking to see what the assignment was, I didn’t know what we were doing. So it just went that way, but I learned, you just, you learn real fast. So that was one of the experiences. 
Gl: Wow.
Gr: Oh yeah, they were very prejudiced against the Mexicans. Fortunately, they did not mistreat me as bad as they would the other children that really looked, you know, were darker than I was and had a Spanish name. I had a Spanish name, but they didn’t even know how to pronounce my name! I mean, four letters? Mora? M-O-R-A? But anyway, they didn’t know what it was, whether it was Spanish, French, Italian, or what. And once you told them it was a Mexican name, they looked at you like, "Oh." Laughs With such disdain. So anyway, my school life, elementary and grade school, those grades were not good. Until my sister decided that the school we were going to was not really helping the Spanish kids, because that’s the way the teachers were, very prejudiced. So she found another school, and oh, it was quite a distance from where we lived. And we went there, and I finished… fourth?... no, no it wasn’t fourth… fifth and sixth grade, I finished that. And that was not too bad, that was pretty good. Had two little incidents but nothing disturbing. Then went to junior high, as it was called, middle school was called junior high then, and it was the seventh and eighth grade. And that was the best time, in junior high, it was the best school years I had.
Gl: Really?
Gr: I had good friends and it was totally different. I just remember that I enjoyed junior high a lot. And then I finished my junior high years and went to high school. And of course in the meantime,  every time that I was not in school my mother always had me working. When I got home from school, I had chores to do. And your studying, you did that after the chores were done. And you think washing dishes is bad? You should’ve seen the dishes I had to wash by hand, dry, and put away! So I laugh at y’all! You have no idea what a wonderful thing you have in a dishwasher. Laughs I appreciate them, I appreciate the dishwasher, washer, and dryer. Believe me, that’s the best thing that I have ever had in my life!

Gl: So you had to do all the dishes and all the laundry?
Gr: By hand! By hand. My mother finally found a washing machine somewhere, and it had two tubs, one where you wash the clothes, and then it had this ringer in the middle, and you punched a button and the roller would start, and you’d push your clothes through there because that would squeeze the water out of them, and then it’d go into the rinse water. Well when the rinse water got a little bit too much, then you had to dump it out, with a hose… you had to do your wash right by the sink because you’d put this hose in the sink so the water would drain into the sink. And then when it drained out you had to fill the tub up again. And then after that, I had to go outside and hang them up to dry. Although it did the washing, that was one step better, at least I didn’t have to do it by hand on a scrub board, and it was a lot better. And I mean, I had tons… oh, I just get so tickled with y’all… "Oh all these clothes"! Oh my goodness, you have a dryer, you have a washing machine; I would gladly change places with you in that time and age! Because it was hard, believe me it was hard.
Gl: Yeah, it sounds like it.
Gr: But I was young enough and I did it, and unfortunate for me I did it well. And that’s what my mother liked: that I did it well. So I got loaded up with all this stuff because I did it well. So anyway, that’s the way the high school years went. During the summers, when mother was working, I would be helping grandmother. Grandmother usually did most of the cooking and I would help her when I didn’t have other things to do. And I’d have to clean the whole house and that was really something. I didn’t have a vacuum cleaner either! I had a mop and a bucket. Anyway, I didn’t get to play very much outside. There weren’t any girls in the neighborhood. There might’ve been one or two girls that were in the neighborhood but they were living in rent houses, because there was a few rent houses in the community there. So they’d come and go. One little girl I do remember… Shirley Irlene, I think was her name. 
We were playing and she says, "I am so anxious for Christmas," and all this. 
I thought to myself, why are you anxious for Christmas? 
She says, "Oh and Santa Claus is gonna come." 
And I said, "Santa Claus?" 
Laughs I wasn’t brought up that way, our Christmas was the Nativity scene. And we were told what that scene meant and that’s what we had. We didn’t have a Christmas tree, much less Santa Claus.
Gl: Your family was Catholic right?
Gr: Yes, mm-hmm. We had a different way of celebrating Christmas. But it was all really more on the religious side than on the worldly side. So when she says Santa Claus, I said, "What Santa Claus?" 
She looked at me, she says, "Yeah, there’s a Santa Claus." 
I said, "There’s no Santa Claus." 
She looked at me, she begins to cry, "Yes there is a Santa Claus!"
"No, there’s no Santa Claus." 
I was being honest, there is no Santa Claus! She just burst into tears, ran home, and told her mother.
Gl: Laughing So you ruined her Christmas!
Gr: Laughs Well that made me feel bad afterwards. But I was telling the truth! That’s the only girl I remember in the neighborhood. So let’s see, then I approached my senior years and right when I was a senior I asked my dad, I said, Dad when do I get to stop doing all this stuff, you know, all the housework I did and everything. And he said, when you get a job. And oh, that was the magic word, when I get a job. Laughs So my graduation went real well thanks to my sister, Jessie. She was always helping me, she was always there. Because I was so small, you couldn’t just go out to the store and buy clothes for me. So she made clothes for me. And I learned how to sew in junior high. That’s where they taught me how to sew and home economics. Oh that was my favorite subject! Oh I just loved it. And cooking, oh the cooking really stole my heart! I loved it, just loved the cooking. My dream was to be a food editor. That’s what I wanted to do, because I was so interested in all that. But you know, it wasn’t gonna happen. It was just a dream. Laughs So I graduated and I had a beautiful dress. There was just two of us at the prom that had these beautiful dresses. And the teachers were shocked. And the teacher says, "Where did you get that dress?" And I said, "Oh my sister bought it for me at Neiman Marcus." Their teeth nearly dropped out of their head! Laughs They were like, "What, you poor Mexicans?" After that, they thought, hmm, maybe she’s not so poor after all. Laughs But they didn’t know that Jessie worked at Neimans so she could get a discount, and she did, she paid a lot of money, at that time it was a lot of money for that dress. But it was beautiful.
Gl: That was really nice of her!
Gr: She was always doing things like that! She looked after me like a mother should have. Mother was more like a sister to me than a mother, to be truthful. But I never dishonored my mother in anything, I knew better than that. But I loved Jessie, I… I can’t say that I loved my mother the way I loved Jessie. But I loved Jessie because she taught me a lot of things, she showed me a lot of things. Because she was working in the world and she knew the dangers, and she told me about it, she warned me about things. And I really appreciated it, because, unfortunately you do need these things because there are cruel people, there are nasty people, there are all kinds of people that you’re gonna come in contact with. And she taught me how to shy away from them to, you know, just not have anything to do with them. And it was for my benefit and it helped me a lot. 


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